3 answers
Sylvia
Student
Park City, Illinois
1
Question
Asked
936 views
My goal is to become a Counseling Psychologist, will I need more than a Master's Degree in order to obtain a stable job?
Many have told me I will need more than a Master's Degree.
#counseling-psychology #psychology #college #masters-degree #doctorate-degree
Login to comment
3 answers
Stacy Shields, PhD
Career Counselor
7
Answers
Houston, Texas
Updated
Stacy’s Answer
Hi Sylvia,
One of the most confusing things in the field of psychology for a lot of students is figuring out not only which sub-field to specialize in (e.g., counseling, clinical, I/O, etc.) but also what level of education to pursue - so you are not alone in having this question! So you know a little about my background, I have a PhD in Counseling Psychology.
First, you will need to consider what type of work you hope to pursue once you are finished with your education. If you hope to provide direct services, generally a master's degree is all that you would need. Master's programs in Counseling/Clinical are generally designed to prepare students to be practitioners and help students become Licensed Professional Counselors (LPCs). If you hope to also engage in research or teaching at the college level, then a doctoral degree is generally required. Doctoral programs, in particular PhD programs, train students to be both scientists and practitioners, and programs will vary in the degree of emphasis they place on those two areas of training. This is why most doctoral programs will want to see that you have research experience before applying. A doctoral degree can also allow therapists to have more autonomy in their practice. However, states will vary in their laws for the practice of master's-level and doctoral-level practitioners, so it will be important to gather information about the practice of psychology in whichever state you hope to live.
Second, some of this will depend on what you consider to be a "stable job." The Bureau of Labor Statistics Occupational Outlook Handbook (www.bls.gov/ooh) can provide you with a ton of information including average salary and job outlook for mental health counselors and psychologists. The good news is that there is a need for both levels of professionals. What can be helpful to do beyond looking at information online is to reach out to an LPC and a Psychologist in your area to talk with them about what their day-to-day life is like as professionals, what they wish they had known, and other questions you have about these occupational options - these are often called informational interviews.
Finally, there are a ton of other factors to consider including things like the length of time you want to spend in school, funding opportunities in different programs, application requirements for programs, etc. It can be useful to start to look at both master's and doctoral graduate program websites to get a feel for some of this.
It can be overwhelming, so know that you will never have all of the information and will have to eventually make the best decision for yourself with the information you have while remaining open to opportunities as they come your way. If you are currently a student at a university (or are an alum of a university), know that your school's career center can be useful for guidance as well - if you haven't reached out to them yet (or to a professor in your Psychology department), that would be a great first step for getting support as you make this decision.
One of the most confusing things in the field of psychology for a lot of students is figuring out not only which sub-field to specialize in (e.g., counseling, clinical, I/O, etc.) but also what level of education to pursue - so you are not alone in having this question! So you know a little about my background, I have a PhD in Counseling Psychology.
First, you will need to consider what type of work you hope to pursue once you are finished with your education. If you hope to provide direct services, generally a master's degree is all that you would need. Master's programs in Counseling/Clinical are generally designed to prepare students to be practitioners and help students become Licensed Professional Counselors (LPCs). If you hope to also engage in research or teaching at the college level, then a doctoral degree is generally required. Doctoral programs, in particular PhD programs, train students to be both scientists and practitioners, and programs will vary in the degree of emphasis they place on those two areas of training. This is why most doctoral programs will want to see that you have research experience before applying. A doctoral degree can also allow therapists to have more autonomy in their practice. However, states will vary in their laws for the practice of master's-level and doctoral-level practitioners, so it will be important to gather information about the practice of psychology in whichever state you hope to live.
Second, some of this will depend on what you consider to be a "stable job." The Bureau of Labor Statistics Occupational Outlook Handbook (www.bls.gov/ooh) can provide you with a ton of information including average salary and job outlook for mental health counselors and psychologists. The good news is that there is a need for both levels of professionals. What can be helpful to do beyond looking at information online is to reach out to an LPC and a Psychologist in your area to talk with them about what their day-to-day life is like as professionals, what they wish they had known, and other questions you have about these occupational options - these are often called informational interviews.
Finally, there are a ton of other factors to consider including things like the length of time you want to spend in school, funding opportunities in different programs, application requirements for programs, etc. It can be useful to start to look at both master's and doctoral graduate program websites to get a feel for some of this.
It can be overwhelming, so know that you will never have all of the information and will have to eventually make the best decision for yourself with the information you have while remaining open to opportunities as they come your way. If you are currently a student at a university (or are an alum of a university), know that your school's career center can be useful for guidance as well - if you haven't reached out to them yet (or to a professor in your Psychology department), that would be a great first step for getting support as you make this decision.
Thank you so much for your help. If I may ask, what has your experience been like as a psychologist?
Sylvia
No worries, Sylvia! I am currently early in my career - so I earned my PhD a little over a year ago. The education process is lengthy for a psychologist. So graduate school for me (and for most earning their PhD in this field) was 5 years plus an additional year of internship. I enjoyed the process and grew a lot. Now that I am on the other side of graduate school, I value being able to both provide services and understand/conduct research. I think the biggest reason that I am grateful to have gone through this process is that it gives me the freedom to do a lot of different things in a lot of different settings - I enjoy having options! If you have more specific questions about being a psychologist, feel free to ask more.
Stacy Shields, PhD
Thank you so much for your comment. This actually helped guide me and feel more confident about being accepted into a doctoral program in clinical psychology. You truly are inspirational!
Esther Lapite
Deborah Matthews
psychologist
5
Answers
Stamford, Connecticut
Updated
Deborah’s Answer
To add to what has already been said, a PhD will give you more options- teaching, research, clinical work. With a PhD, your license will be as a psychologist, rather than as a licensed professional counselor. You will also be paid at a higher level with a PhD. I was once advised "just make sure you have the title doctor." While I do the same kind of clinical work as others with a master's degree do, and I do sometimes wonder if it was worth the extra time to get my PhD, there definitely are advantages.
Jason Rechtman, MA, MBA, LPC
Manager of Clinical Quality
120
Answers
Freehold Township, New Jersey
Updated
Jason’s Answer
I agree with everything that was stated in the previous reply. I have a master's in counseling and am a licensed professional counselor. If I could go back, I would tell myself to get the doctoral degree as the amount of internship hours that are required to become licensed at the Master's level to do your own private practice is north of 3000 hours in many states. Many people still take almost as long to get the license at the master's level when they could have just gone for the doctoral degree.
I have also slightly left the field as I recently pursued an MBA and am working in a Clinical quality role.
I will say, employment has never been an issue, I have been employed since my graduation many years ago.
I have also slightly left the field as I recently pursued an MBA and am working in a Clinical quality role.
I will say, employment has never been an issue, I have been employed since my graduation many years ago.