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Ariane
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I am looking for a healthcare career change, looking for some advise, what would you recommend I do?
Hi! My name is Ari and I am a lead medical assistant in an oncology clinic, and I have been a MA since 2017. I have done everything from back of the house to front of the house to running the floor and managing other medical assistants. I am currently in school and hoping to get into the radiology tech program. However, I am looking for a back up in case I do not get into the rad tech program. I do not want to go into nursing. I am currently working in an oncology clinic and I love it! I love being so hands on with patients and I also love being outpatient. Right now, I do a little bit of everything, I go to leadership meetings, I plan schedules, I preform audits and checks, I also work hands on with patients, getting vitals, drawing blood, preforming EKG's and assisting in in-office procedures. I have also worked in primary care, background of doing all of the paperwork (prior authorizations , physical forms for school, death certs, VNA requests, ect), drawing and administering injections to patients of all ages, triage phone calls, call patient with results, preform in office testing such as random glucose, lipids, INR, mono, flu, strep, EKG's, spirometry testing. I have also worked in settings where I check in the patient (making sure insurance is correct) and checking patients out (booking follow up appointments, booking appointments with outside locations then following up after appointment and getting notes) Overall, very confident in a clinical setting. I am wondering what a good next step would be job wise. Background, I love oncology, I think its fascinating. We give patients chemo and I report to a reaction if we have one, and I think that as scary as it can be it is so interesting to see how a person reacts to certain treatments and what labs are elevated once we get the results. I also love getting to be a part of my patients journey and they know they are not alone and we are here for them every step of the way. I love the clinical aspect of my job, not so much the admin side. In my current job, I manage multiple tasks and work well alongside other disciplines (admin, nursing, PA/MD, palliative, social work, ect) I am very task driven (I like have a to do list!). I work in a fast paced environment, with constant moving parts. I am able to adapt quickly and effectively. I work well under pressure and I mentioned reactions above, those are moments when we need to think on our feet and make sure our patient is safe. I enjoy rolling out new projects to better the experience for patients and staff. I am also in the healthcare field, studying to stay in the healthcare field but sometimes I wonder if I should just make a drastic move to something like medical billing and coding (drastic but still close to my roots, haha!) or something non medical? But I wouldn't know where to start, I always thinking coding but that sounds too vague. Sorry for the rant, it just feels like for the first time I don't have a clear path and there are too many moving variables right now. It is really stressful time for me.
Thank you so much in advanced for your help!
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Dr H
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Hey Ari! First off—wow, you’ve got an insane skillset. You’re basically the Swiss Army knife of healthcare. Seriously, the amount of hands-on experience you’ve racked up since 2017 is no joke, and that gives you a ton of options. Am gonna give you some cool career paths that fit your vibe (while keeping a backup plan ready if that rad tech spot doesn’t open up). 👀
1. Stay Clinical, Stay Hands-On (Because You Love It)
If the thrill of patient care gets you hyped (especially in oncology), there are a few ways to level up without diving into nursing:
Radiation Therapist – Similar to rad tech but more specific to cancer care. You’d be operating machines that deliver targeted radiation treatments. Still hands-on, still in the oncology world, and pays very well. Plus, your oncology experience = big advantage.
Clinical Research Coordinator (CRC) – You’d work on clinical trials, helping test new treatments and meds. It’s a mix of patient interaction and scientific curiosity—plus, you’d get the front-row seat to cutting-edge cancer research. Bonus: no coding required!
Genetic Counselor Assistant – If you’re fascinated by the "why" behind cancer, this is a growing field where you help patients understand genetic risks. You assist with reports, patient intake, and sometimes lab work. Super interesting and a mix of admin and clinical.
2. Now if you love the healthcare environment but want to take a step back from direct patient care (I see you eyeing medical billing & coding), here are some middle-ground jobs:
Patient Navigator – Basically a superhero for patients. You’d guide them through their treatment journey, help with scheduling, insurance headaches, and resources. Perfect for someone like you who loves being there for patients without poking them with needles.
Healthcare Project Manager – You already handle leadership meetings and roll out new projects—why not make it official? Hospitals and clinics always need people to improve workflows, manage projects, and keep things running smoothly.
Quality Improvement Specialist – If you love audits, process-checking, and keeping patient care top-notch, this role focuses on improving systems and patient safety. You’d flex those multitasking skills while still staying connected to patient outcomes.
3. Wildcard Moves you know if you wanna shake things up:
Medical Device Rep – Use your clinical know-how to sell and train staff on medical equipment (chemo delivery systems, diagnostic tools, etc.). Pays big, but you’d be on the go a lot.
Health Informatics Analyst – If you want a sprinkle of coding without going full programmer, this blends healthcare data, systems, and patient care. You help manage electronic health records (EHR) and optimize workflows—bonus: most places will pay for certifications while you work.
Public Health Educator – If you want to take your love for oncology to a community level, you could work on education programs around cancer prevention and treatment. Less clinical, but super rewarding.
4. Remember Ari, if rad tech doesn’t pan out, that’s okay—you’ve got options on options. Consider snagging short-term certifications while you’re figuring things out:
Phlebotomy Certification (if you wanna go deeper into patient interaction)
Medical Coding Certificate (if you want a low-key job that pays well and lets you chill)
Project Management (PMP) (if you love organizing and leading)
You’ve already got the multitasking, leadership, and patient care down—whatever path you choose, you’re bringing major value. You’ve got this, Ari. What’s calling to you the most go for it. All the best and good luck!
1. Stay Clinical, Stay Hands-On (Because You Love It)
If the thrill of patient care gets you hyped (especially in oncology), there are a few ways to level up without diving into nursing:
Radiation Therapist – Similar to rad tech but more specific to cancer care. You’d be operating machines that deliver targeted radiation treatments. Still hands-on, still in the oncology world, and pays very well. Plus, your oncology experience = big advantage.
Clinical Research Coordinator (CRC) – You’d work on clinical trials, helping test new treatments and meds. It’s a mix of patient interaction and scientific curiosity—plus, you’d get the front-row seat to cutting-edge cancer research. Bonus: no coding required!
Genetic Counselor Assistant – If you’re fascinated by the "why" behind cancer, this is a growing field where you help patients understand genetic risks. You assist with reports, patient intake, and sometimes lab work. Super interesting and a mix of admin and clinical.
2. Now if you love the healthcare environment but want to take a step back from direct patient care (I see you eyeing medical billing & coding), here are some middle-ground jobs:
Patient Navigator – Basically a superhero for patients. You’d guide them through their treatment journey, help with scheduling, insurance headaches, and resources. Perfect for someone like you who loves being there for patients without poking them with needles.
Healthcare Project Manager – You already handle leadership meetings and roll out new projects—why not make it official? Hospitals and clinics always need people to improve workflows, manage projects, and keep things running smoothly.
Quality Improvement Specialist – If you love audits, process-checking, and keeping patient care top-notch, this role focuses on improving systems and patient safety. You’d flex those multitasking skills while still staying connected to patient outcomes.
3. Wildcard Moves you know if you wanna shake things up:
Medical Device Rep – Use your clinical know-how to sell and train staff on medical equipment (chemo delivery systems, diagnostic tools, etc.). Pays big, but you’d be on the go a lot.
Health Informatics Analyst – If you want a sprinkle of coding without going full programmer, this blends healthcare data, systems, and patient care. You help manage electronic health records (EHR) and optimize workflows—bonus: most places will pay for certifications while you work.
Public Health Educator – If you want to take your love for oncology to a community level, you could work on education programs around cancer prevention and treatment. Less clinical, but super rewarding.
4. Remember Ari, if rad tech doesn’t pan out, that’s okay—you’ve got options on options. Consider snagging short-term certifications while you’re figuring things out:
Phlebotomy Certification (if you wanna go deeper into patient interaction)
Medical Coding Certificate (if you want a low-key job that pays well and lets you chill)
Project Management (PMP) (if you love organizing and leading)
You’ve already got the multitasking, leadership, and patient care down—whatever path you choose, you’re bringing major value. You’ve got this, Ari. What’s calling to you the most go for it. All the best and good luck!
Your advice was so helpful!
Edward Saliba
Respiratory Therapy
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Edward’s Answer
Hi,
It seems you have been exposed to quite a bit in the health care industry. I think you are getting great experience that you can apply to your career in health care. I would strongly recommend enrolling in a community college and taking general health care prereqs (Anatomy with Lab, Physiology with lab, Chemistry, Microbiology) if you havent done so already.
As a Respiratory Therapist (20 years in the field) I can say - check us out! We have an exciting and very rewarding career. You are already exploring a bit of spirometry (check out Pulmonary Function Technologist). RTs can work with premature babies all the way up to older patients with COPD. We can work in various settings in the hospital, homecare, out patient offices, Sleep centers, schools, research, and yes even Thrash Metal Bands such as Slayer :-)
It seems you have been exposed to quite a bit in the health care industry. I think you are getting great experience that you can apply to your career in health care. I would strongly recommend enrolling in a community college and taking general health care prereqs (Anatomy with Lab, Physiology with lab, Chemistry, Microbiology) if you havent done so already.
As a Respiratory Therapist (20 years in the field) I can say - check us out! We have an exciting and very rewarding career. You are already exploring a bit of spirometry (check out Pulmonary Function Technologist). RTs can work with premature babies all the way up to older patients with COPD. We can work in various settings in the hospital, homecare, out patient offices, Sleep centers, schools, research, and yes even Thrash Metal Bands such as Slayer :-)
Lead Academy
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Swindon, England, United Kingdom
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Lead’s Answer
Hi Ari, it’s understandable that you’re feeling a bit uncertain with so many possibilities on the horizon. Given your rich experience in oncology and clinical settings, you already possess a strong foundation, and you’re in a great position to pivot within healthcare. If you're passionate about direct patient care and the clinical aspect, radiology tech is an excellent choice that aligns with your current skills and interest in the medical field. However, it’s wise to have a backup plan in case you don’t get into the program.
One option worth considering is a role in Allergen Awareness / or allergy testing, which ties closely to your clinical background and could be particularly rewarding. Allergy specialists often require professionals with hands-on experience in patient care and testing, which would be an excellent match for you, especially with your attention to detail and ability to work under pressure. These roles often involve working directly with patients to perform tests and educate them on allergen management, blending clinical skills with patient interaction.
Alternatively, if you want to shift towards something like medical billing and coding, it’s a great option that is still within healthcare but more administrative. It might feel like a drastic change, but your experience with managing tasks, dealing with insurance, and handling patient data could serve you well in this field. Medical coding offers clear career paths and flexibility, but I would recommend gaining some insight into specific coding systems (like ICD-10 or CPT codes) before making the transition.
Ultimately, consider which areas excite you most—whether that’s continuing to work directly with patients or moving towards a behind-the-scenes role like medical billing. Don’t be afraid to explore, and trust that your diverse experience will help you succeed in whichever path you choose.
One option worth considering is a role in Allergen Awareness / or allergy testing, which ties closely to your clinical background and could be particularly rewarding. Allergy specialists often require professionals with hands-on experience in patient care and testing, which would be an excellent match for you, especially with your attention to detail and ability to work under pressure. These roles often involve working directly with patients to perform tests and educate them on allergen management, blending clinical skills with patient interaction.
Alternatively, if you want to shift towards something like medical billing and coding, it’s a great option that is still within healthcare but more administrative. It might feel like a drastic change, but your experience with managing tasks, dealing with insurance, and handling patient data could serve you well in this field. Medical coding offers clear career paths and flexibility, but I would recommend gaining some insight into specific coding systems (like ICD-10 or CPT codes) before making the transition.
Ultimately, consider which areas excite you most—whether that’s continuing to work directly with patients or moving towards a behind-the-scenes role like medical billing. Don’t be afraid to explore, and trust that your diverse experience will help you succeed in whichever path you choose.
Bright Komor
Nurse
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Bright’s Answer
Lisa, with your healthcare experience, has a solid foundation to transition into a new role. To explore career options, identify your interests and strengths, such as staying in direct patient care or moving into a non-clinical role, and consider your preferences for work-life balance, remote options, and higher salary potential. Explore healthcare career paths, such as technology and data roles, advanced clinical roles, healthcare administration and management, education and public health, and quick certification courses.
Technology and data roles offer remote work and high salary potential, while advanced clinical roles require higher education and higher pay. Healthcare administration and management roles include hospital administrators, case managers, medical sales representatives, health coaches, public health specialists, and clinical research coordinators. Quick certification courses can help track career change, such as Google Health Informatics, AHIMA Certified Coding Specialist (CCS), Project Management in Healthcare (PMP or CAPM), and HubSpot Healthcare Marketing Certification.
Network and apply for jobs by joining LinkedIn groups for healthcare professionals in your target field, looking for remote or hybrid roles on job boards like FlexJobs & Indeed, and leveraging your nursing background to transition into leadership, consulting, or tech-driven roles. If you need help narrowing down the best fit based on your skills and goals, let Lisa know.
Technology and data roles offer remote work and high salary potential, while advanced clinical roles require higher education and higher pay. Healthcare administration and management roles include hospital administrators, case managers, medical sales representatives, health coaches, public health specialists, and clinical research coordinators. Quick certification courses can help track career change, such as Google Health Informatics, AHIMA Certified Coding Specialist (CCS), Project Management in Healthcare (PMP or CAPM), and HubSpot Healthcare Marketing Certification.
Network and apply for jobs by joining LinkedIn groups for healthcare professionals in your target field, looking for remote or hybrid roles on job boards like FlexJobs & Indeed, and leveraging your nursing background to transition into leadership, consulting, or tech-driven roles. If you need help narrowing down the best fit based on your skills and goals, let Lisa know.
Chinyere Okafor
Educationist and Counseling Psychologist
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Chinyere’s Answer
Ariane!
Just like Dr. H said, "You’ve got an insane skill set". Ariane, you are incredibly accomplished—seriously, your experience as a lead MA, your passion for oncology, and your ability to juggle so many roles is impressive. It’s completely understandable that you’re feeling a bit lost with so many potential paths ahead. You’ve done so much in the field already, and it makes sense that you want a clear direction for what’s next.
Since you love hands-on patient care but aren’t interested in nursing, here are some strong options that align with your skills and interests. If you don’t get into the rad tech program, don’t lose hope—there are other imaging careers that might have a more accessible entry route. You could consider becoming an MRI Technologist, as some programs allow you to specialize in MRI without completing a full rad tech program. Another great alternative is Sonography (Ultrasound Tech), which involves working closely with patients. Given your experience in oncology, you might also find becoming a Nuclear Medicine Technologist fascinating, as it involves imaging techniques used for cancer diagnosis and treatment.
Expanding your oncology role could also be fulfilling. You might enjoy being an Oncology Pharmacy Technician, where you’d be involved in mixing chemo drugs, understanding patient reactions, and working closely with pharmacists and oncologists. If you love the science behind oncology treatments, becoming a Certified Clinical Research Coordinator (CCRC) would let you be part of cutting-edge trials for new cancer treatments. Alternatively, you could transition to becoming an Infusion Therapy Specialist, specializing in administering IV therapies beyond just oncology.
Another path is becoming a Physician Assistant (PA) or a Medical Science Liaison (MSL). While being a PA requires more schooling, it could be a high-reward option if you love fast-paced environments, critical thinking, and patient interactions. If you prefer educating providers about new treatments, an MSL role in oncology pharmaceuticals could be interesting.
Healthcare management and operations could be a good fit, given that you already attend leadership meetings, roll out new projects, and multitask across disciplines. While Hospital Operations or Healthcare Administration might not be ideal if you don’t love admin work, a higher-level leadership role could allow you to improve processes for both patients and staff. If you like fast-paced environments and rolling out new initiatives, becoming a Project Manager in Healthcare would let you lead new programs across hospitals or clinics.
Medical coding and billing could be a more drastic pivot. Although it’s a stable, in-demand field, it’s very desk-heavy and less patient-facing, which seems different from what excites you most about your work. If you want something structured and task-driven but still hands-on, a hybrid role in medical informatics, where you analyze patient data and improve workflows, might be a better fit.
Your passion for oncology, fast-paced environments, and patient care is clear. If you don’t get into rad tech, I’d recommend looking into MRI, sonography, or nuclear medicine as a backup before considering something as admin-heavy as billing/coding. You’ve got too many valuable clinical skills to give up hands-on work entirely unless that’s truly what you want.
I know this is a stressful time, but your experience and adaptability put you in a strong position no matter what. You’re not stuck—you have options, and whatever path you choose will benefit from the dedication you’ve already shown. Keep pushing forward, and I’m happy to help if you want to talk through any of these options in more depth!
Best wishes!
Just like Dr. H said, "You’ve got an insane skill set". Ariane, you are incredibly accomplished—seriously, your experience as a lead MA, your passion for oncology, and your ability to juggle so many roles is impressive. It’s completely understandable that you’re feeling a bit lost with so many potential paths ahead. You’ve done so much in the field already, and it makes sense that you want a clear direction for what’s next.
Since you love hands-on patient care but aren’t interested in nursing, here are some strong options that align with your skills and interests. If you don’t get into the rad tech program, don’t lose hope—there are other imaging careers that might have a more accessible entry route. You could consider becoming an MRI Technologist, as some programs allow you to specialize in MRI without completing a full rad tech program. Another great alternative is Sonography (Ultrasound Tech), which involves working closely with patients. Given your experience in oncology, you might also find becoming a Nuclear Medicine Technologist fascinating, as it involves imaging techniques used for cancer diagnosis and treatment.
Expanding your oncology role could also be fulfilling. You might enjoy being an Oncology Pharmacy Technician, where you’d be involved in mixing chemo drugs, understanding patient reactions, and working closely with pharmacists and oncologists. If you love the science behind oncology treatments, becoming a Certified Clinical Research Coordinator (CCRC) would let you be part of cutting-edge trials for new cancer treatments. Alternatively, you could transition to becoming an Infusion Therapy Specialist, specializing in administering IV therapies beyond just oncology.
Another path is becoming a Physician Assistant (PA) or a Medical Science Liaison (MSL). While being a PA requires more schooling, it could be a high-reward option if you love fast-paced environments, critical thinking, and patient interactions. If you prefer educating providers about new treatments, an MSL role in oncology pharmaceuticals could be interesting.
Healthcare management and operations could be a good fit, given that you already attend leadership meetings, roll out new projects, and multitask across disciplines. While Hospital Operations or Healthcare Administration might not be ideal if you don’t love admin work, a higher-level leadership role could allow you to improve processes for both patients and staff. If you like fast-paced environments and rolling out new initiatives, becoming a Project Manager in Healthcare would let you lead new programs across hospitals or clinics.
Medical coding and billing could be a more drastic pivot. Although it’s a stable, in-demand field, it’s very desk-heavy and less patient-facing, which seems different from what excites you most about your work. If you want something structured and task-driven but still hands-on, a hybrid role in medical informatics, where you analyze patient data and improve workflows, might be a better fit.
Your passion for oncology, fast-paced environments, and patient care is clear. If you don’t get into rad tech, I’d recommend looking into MRI, sonography, or nuclear medicine as a backup before considering something as admin-heavy as billing/coding. You’ve got too many valuable clinical skills to give up hands-on work entirely unless that’s truly what you want.
I know this is a stressful time, but your experience and adaptability put you in a strong position no matter what. You’re not stuck—you have options, and whatever path you choose will benefit from the dedication you’ve already shown. Keep pushing forward, and I’m happy to help if you want to talk through any of these options in more depth!
Best wishes!
Rita Chuang
Physician
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Henderson, Nevada
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Rita’s Answer
From what you are us, you like to work with people so I would not go into medical billing unless you do this after hours to make extra money. You can either stay where you are at or go to PA school, medical school etc. You already know what the job requires so you know you can do it. Medical school will be very long because you need to do internal medicine for 3 years and then Heme/Onc for another 3 years so maybe PA school.
Esraa El Afify
Nutrition lecteurer, nutrition spchialist
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Minuf, Menofia Governorate
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Esraa’s Answer
Hi Ari! It sounds like you have an incredible amount of experience and passion for patient care, especially in oncology. You have a strong clinical background, leadership skills, and the ability to manage multiple responsibilities in a fast-paced environment. Given that you’re looking for a potential backup plan in case radiology tech doesn’t work out—and you don’t want to go into nursing—here are some career options that align with your skills and interests:
1. Radiology Tech (First Choice)
You’re already working toward this, so keep pushing forward! If you don’t get in the first time, consider reapplying in the next cycle while working on strengthening your application (shadowing, volunteering, extra coursework).
2. Oncology-Related Career Paths
Since you love oncology and patient interaction, here are some options that keep you in this field:
Radiation Therapist – Works closely with oncology patients to administer radiation treatments. Requires an associate’s degree and certification.
Oncology Patient Navigator – Helps guide patients through treatment, connecting them with resources and ensuring they understand their care.
Clinical Research Coordinator (CRC) – Works in oncology research, assisting with clinical trials and patient recruitment.
Certified Oncology Medical Assistant (COA) – Specializes in oncology patient care, working closely with oncologists and nurses.
3. Advanced Medical Roles (Non-Nursing)
If you love patient care but don’t want to be a nurse, consider:
Physician Assistant (PA) – Specializing in oncology – Requires a master’s degree but offers great flexibility and hands-on patient care.
Perfusionist – Operates heart-lung machines during surgery. Requires specialized training but is a unique and high-demand career.
Cytotechnologist – Works with pathologists to detect cancer at the cellular level.
4. Healthcare Technology & Administration (If You Want a Change)
Since you’ve thought about medical billing and coding but aren’t sure, here are some related options:
Healthcare Informatics or Medical Coding Auditor – More specialized than general coding, focusing on compliance and accuracy.
Healthcare IT or EMR Specialist – Works on the technology side, managing electronic medical records.
Project Management in Healthcare – You love rolling out new projects; this role allows you to implement improvements in patient care workflows.
Clinical Educator or Trainer – You could teach medical assistants or new hires in oncology how to work effectively in the clinic.
Next Steps:
1. Shadow or Network – If any of these roles sound interesting, try shadowing someone in that field or networking with professionals.
2. Certifications – Look into certifications that align with your backup plan (e.g., CRC certification for research, COA for oncology, or RHIT for informatics).
3. Keep Applying – If rad tech is your passion, don’t give up! Many programs are competitive, and reapplying with additional experience can help.
You have a wealth of experience and transferable skills—your next step is just about choosing the best fit for your goals and interests. Let me know if you need help narrowing things down further!
1. Radiology Tech (First Choice)
You’re already working toward this, so keep pushing forward! If you don’t get in the first time, consider reapplying in the next cycle while working on strengthening your application (shadowing, volunteering, extra coursework).
2. Oncology-Related Career Paths
Since you love oncology and patient interaction, here are some options that keep you in this field:
Radiation Therapist – Works closely with oncology patients to administer radiation treatments. Requires an associate’s degree and certification.
Oncology Patient Navigator – Helps guide patients through treatment, connecting them with resources and ensuring they understand their care.
Clinical Research Coordinator (CRC) – Works in oncology research, assisting with clinical trials and patient recruitment.
Certified Oncology Medical Assistant (COA) – Specializes in oncology patient care, working closely with oncologists and nurses.
3. Advanced Medical Roles (Non-Nursing)
If you love patient care but don’t want to be a nurse, consider:
Physician Assistant (PA) – Specializing in oncology – Requires a master’s degree but offers great flexibility and hands-on patient care.
Perfusionist – Operates heart-lung machines during surgery. Requires specialized training but is a unique and high-demand career.
Cytotechnologist – Works with pathologists to detect cancer at the cellular level.
4. Healthcare Technology & Administration (If You Want a Change)
Since you’ve thought about medical billing and coding but aren’t sure, here are some related options:
Healthcare Informatics or Medical Coding Auditor – More specialized than general coding, focusing on compliance and accuracy.
Healthcare IT or EMR Specialist – Works on the technology side, managing electronic medical records.
Project Management in Healthcare – You love rolling out new projects; this role allows you to implement improvements in patient care workflows.
Clinical Educator or Trainer – You could teach medical assistants or new hires in oncology how to work effectively in the clinic.
Next Steps:
1. Shadow or Network – If any of these roles sound interesting, try shadowing someone in that field or networking with professionals.
2. Certifications – Look into certifications that align with your backup plan (e.g., CRC certification for research, COA for oncology, or RHIT for informatics).
3. Keep Applying – If rad tech is your passion, don’t give up! Many programs are competitive, and reapplying with additional experience can help.
You have a wealth of experience and transferable skills—your next step is just about choosing the best fit for your goals and interests. Let me know if you need help narrowing things down further!